Second, let's talk about Arizona. Okay, so we have a serious problem in this nation with illegal immigrants and no one can deny that. While I understand that the law seems like it is targeting illegal immigrants...well, you're right, it is! Duh! Look, if some guy sneaks across the border and is speeding on the highway with his driving privilege (which baffles me that they don't check for legal status when this is issued) and the officer checks to see if he is legal, I don't see the big deal. Aren't the police supposed to be monitoring illegal activities. If police are doing a drug bust and they go into the house and a man is raping a woman, can they not arrest him cause they are only supposed to be there for the drugs? Come on! Illegal is illegal. But my real issue isn't with this law. It's with the fact that the federal government can't do it's job right and keeps putting it's nose in the wrong places. I worked on capitol hill and heard someone say that air conditioning was the down fall of this country because then congress could work all year round. Before AC, congressmen had real jobs and served the public. Now they are just politicians who are trying to control our lives. I was going to go into politics but when I did an internship at the Subcommittee on regulatory affairs I learned that this country runs on bull sh*t. I can't believe the ridiculous laws that are passed. The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing and we've spent the last 65 years screwing it up.
Boycotting AZ and suing it is so strange to me, especially since all they are doing is enforcing a federal law! On my green card it says that I HAVE to carry it with me everywhere at ALL times. Other countries do the same thing, fighting the illegal immigration, and checking everyone's documents and registration. Here, for some strange reason they call it racism. And then they catch Russian Spies. Maybe if they checked their documents more carefully, they wouldn't have lived here for the last 10 years:)
ReplyDeleteI agree with you that illegal immigration is a problem, but the real problem with the law is the racial profiling, which is illegal. While I do like that Arizona is trying to do something to fix the problem, their law requires police officers to question people about their legal status. The main criteria that they are going to base their questioning on is skin color and race. "They" say that police can ask based on actions, but I doubt they are going to ask a crazy white guy if he's legal or not. So, I can see the problem with the law from a legal standpoint. But do illegals have rights in our country? I don't know, but I don't think they should have the same rights as those who are here legally. Maybe everyone should have a citizenship card along with their driver's license. And whenever someone gets pulled over you have to show both cards. If you don't have one, then police would be allowed to investigate your legal status.
ReplyDeleteThere has to be more done about illegal immigration than just in the police sector. The police cannot catch everyone. So, I do think something needs to be done; there needs to be MAJOR reform. The Federal government wasn't doing anything, so Arizona had to do it themselves. And I applaude them for doing something!
I see what you're saying. But hey, remember Russia? Cops stop everyone who look like they are from Georgia(country) or Armenia, because those guys are more likely to be there illegal. And everyone who is legal in the country has to carry their passport or registration card (including missionaries, and most of them are white). I'm not saying in Russia it works better, I know it's not.
ReplyDeleteBut I know they also stop plenty of white guys too, based on their actions (if their drunk, for example, or if they are speeding).
Cops here stop plenty of people who are speeding, but if that happens to be a van filled over the capacity with scared-looking men and women and driven by a person of different race, is that questioning of legal status based on an action or race? That's where it becomes complicated, because some people will say it's based on race, but how many white or black people you've seen who tried to drive a van full of other white people. When that happens they call them gangsters and not illegal immigrants, and that's a different problem.
So I, personally, don't see a problem with cops stopping people of any race to ask for their documents. Based on action OR on looks. It should be cops jobs. But I think in a way cops just don't want to do it, because they could be called racists. Which is sad. Policemen is one of the few professions that is very discouraging because most of the time everyone hates you. And all they are trying to do is to keep an order in the society and keep US save.
Okay, so I meant to save this and not post it cause I wasn't finished! Leana, I agree that in many other countries you are asked for documents and it's not a big deal. And if you are latino and asked to see your documents I think it would be silly to take offense. Fact of the matter is that most illegal immigrants are from mexico. I was never offended when in Russia people questioned me cause I looked American. But the main issue I have is that the federal government is overstretching their power and jurisdiction. I think it is very scary to minimize state power and expand federal power. So the U.S. justice department suing Arizona is not a good sign for this country. Rachel, I agree that racial profiling is a problem but I don't know how to avoid that. But like I said, this law may be imperfect, but I don't like the federal government suing a state. Makes me very uneasy.
ReplyDeleteOk, so I guess, my second post was writing more to Rachel... ha, I really thought it was you Rebecca. Oops. So, Rebecca(now that I know, who thinks what:)) I agree with you. The way I always understood democracy is to give more freedom to people and let them work, meaning big private sector, meaning state government should have SUPPORT of federal government, since they know what's going in on there better than people from DC, and not being sued. Lately, it seems that federal government wants to control so much that it reminds me some other country I grew up in. And it might not seem like that to some right now, it definitely going toward that direction unless people will stop it in November.
ReplyDeleteHave you thought about the fact that because of the AZ law domestic violence will skyrocket among other things? Women and children will be too scared to call law enforcement on their husbands (if abused) because then law enforcement can ask for their papers instead of protect them.
ReplyDeleteI agree there is a problem and that something needs to be done, but a law that so easily leads to racial profiling is not the answer.
You should read the article that the Deseret News put out about this...it is very insightful: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700043538/Fact-or-fiction-The-myths-and-realities-of-illegal-immigration.html
Rebecca, you said "the main issue I have is that the federal government is overstretching their power and jurisdiction". Part of the problem with this law is that AZ is overstepping their jurisdiction. It is the federal government's responsibility to secure our borders, not the states. States like AZ have just tired of the fed gov. not doing anything and have taken matters into their own hands. What Shalayne mentioned is a real concern and the reason cops don't like this law. I think something like the guest worker program like Bush proposed or something where people actually had some ability to be here legally should be implemented. I think most people would take the legal route. It's just so impossible, you have to be better off than most of the natural born citizens who are in debt up to their eyeballs. I am sick of Congress not doing anything about this, social security, and everything else that messed up in our country.
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